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innocent

06-15-2001, 01:04 AM

has anyone out there put any serious thought into the connections between house of leaves and poe's new album haunted? i know that the author and singer are brother and sister, but it would be interesting to know if anyone has read the book while listening to the album and picked up any strange correlations... i had to return the book right after i had bought the album, so i wasn't able to experiment with it...

innocent

RandomWildwood

06-15-2001, 11:20 AM

Actually there are all kinds of correlations between them. Check out one of the Poe web sites (http://www.polishchick.com) for more examples. And if you get in touch with some of the Angry Psychos (like myself), you can get a hold of her music that also has readings from the book in it. images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Sintina

06-16-2001, 12:26 AM

Poe's album cover is the most fun.
It's chock-full of quotes from the book, all parts of the book.

The song where Poe's Mom's answering machine gets the call that MR. Danielewski is dead (track 1) is titled "Exploration B" which is in reference to Navidson's quest, "Exploration A", the intial contact with the house, the beginning of it all.

"You can go now" is the last thing Johnny writes in his part of the novel, with the story about the mother and her dying baby, Poe puts the words "It's okay" in front of that and has a child say it on the CD and it's written on the last page of the cover.

There are song titles and lyrics and all sorts of things that link the book to the CD.
Waaaaay too much to list.

verismo

10-18-2002, 11:09 PM

Look, the last thing I want to do is bring the negativity from other posts onto this one, but I have to say this is BEAUTIFUL!!

This thread is my point exactly!

If other senior members had seen this thread first, innocent would have gotten a big ol' ass-chewing about using the search function, thus killing the thread.

But instead, a bunch of new members got into a cool discussion, about a topic I have read a million threads about, and I learned something new from new members' findings. Beautiful. Bravi!

Yggdrasil

10-19-2002, 12:29 AM

actually this thread is from june of 2001 meaning it pre-empted most of the current posting members. The reason it was left in the wake and not replied to for so long was that other posts have covered it... however it's good to bring up things that haven't be discussed in a while.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Poe's album is just as important to the book as the text itself is. The music gives more of a personal meaning regarding Mark and Poe in relation to their father through which connections to the book can be made. It works on all levels.

Sorry if that came across retarded... I've been drinking.

fatwoul

10-19-2002, 09:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by verismo:
...If other senior members had seen this thread first, innocent would have gotten a big ol' ass-chewing about using the search function, thus killing the thread...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As Yggy sensibly pointed out, this would not have happened to innocent. This is because THEY POSTED 15 MONTHS AGO!!!

Innocent was perfectly justified in making their comments when they did, since at that time those comments had not been discussed into the ground.

What is beautiful is seeing a newer member like DeliriumXV using the search function to dig up interesting older threads, which is the point the "search functionists" make all the time.

Seriously, verismo, if you are going to try to make some kind of clever point, at least check the dates first.

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: fatwoul ]

verismo

10-19-2002, 09:17 AM

aww well shit. Well, it could have happened the way i dreamed....it could have....it didn't here...but my point is still valid, this just isn't an example of it as I had hoped. Damn. images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

verismo

10-19-2002, 09:35 AM

Don't you guys see my point?

If a new member has never thought of a connection between Lude and Reston, the search function will do them no good on that point. They need to see it being discussed to know it exists. And since we don't talk enough to keep all posts going at once, we should put up with or ignore repeat repeat topics so those new minds can be exposed to as many topics as possible.

verismo

10-19-2002, 01:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote
That point is not in dispute

Good. It was my only one, so we could have stopped there.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote
However, pointing out what Yggdrasil is, because a member is arrogant enough to think 3000 people in 2 years had never bothered to check is insulting,

Why? Good God man. I just would think we could be bigger than that. If some new smug member acts like a know-it-all, how does tat really harm you? And calling them on it is one thing, but it offending you? As long as it isn't personal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. The search function is a Wonderful tool to this site. I don't need you to explain to me why it is a good thing. I'm not anti-search. I use it every day! But discussion over it is getting out of hand, and well, all I have to say about it I said on the Yggdrasil post.
People are getting afraid to talk anymore because they didn't search enough. We don't need to get offended, or angry, or mean. Promote the search, yes, but do it with kindness, EVEN to those who don't deserve it.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote
The greatest irony, verismo, is that you started all this by talking about how nice it was to find a thread which hadn't been buggered up by this type of distracting debate on the search function, which has in turn caused the very same distracting debate you seem so against

No, not really. Here, you and I are not angry, yelling and putting eachother down. Which is what I really have a problem with.

Here's a proposal:
Everyone should be allowed to suggest the search function to anyone for any reason...nicely, which includes not making a big fake to-do over it. And everyone agrees to not blast that person for bringing up the S.F. I just think that by doing that we can educate the masses about the S.F. while allowing those repeated redundant new posts to stir up the pot by bringing those topics back to surface. I mean, hell, say again what you said last time around, along side of "hey, try using the searh function to see what we've said before about this"

Thats all I have to say about this. I just don't think there has to be such a big (how do you spell that great Brit. word?) rau, row,...fight.

fatwoul

10-19-2002, 01:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by verismo:
...No, not really...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, yeah actually - this thread was about discussing the relationship between Poe's music and MZD writing. None of the last posts between you and I have had anything to do with that whatsoever. Anger levels are neither here nor there.

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: fatwoul ]

verismo

10-19-2002, 02:16 PM

Look, I think I know what it is tat I have a problem with, and what it is that I am so against.

Our conversation is not an example of what my origional post on this thread was speaking against. My origional post was about letting people talk about old topics and not yelling at them about the search function. I did not say it is distracting, I said you are being assholes about it, so be distracting, just don't be an asshole. That was my whole point, here and other places. So anger levels are here and there.

My point being that the onversation above would likely continue if someone brought up the search function, but not if someone went off over it.

fatwoul

10-19-2002, 02:55 PM

There comes a point in all these discussions with you, verismo, where I start to get the feeling you are against some aspect of the whole newbie/old user thing, but that you can't quite put a finger on what it is. So you drift from one thing to another, gradually getting more wound up at my piss-taking and starting to sound all "American".

*sits back and waits for the fuse to burn*

verismo

10-19-2002, 04:58 PM

uhh....huh?
What is piss-taking?

How does one sound "American"?

I can put a finger on it, it just appears to be hard for me to make it clear. I don't feel like I am drifting.

*sitting back wondering what fatwoul meant about a fuse burning*

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: verismo ]

fatwoul

10-20-2002, 12:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by verismo:
Don't you guys see my point?

If a new member has never thought of a connection between Lude and Reston...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That point is not in dispute. Of course there are some topics which are difficult to search for - typing in Lude, Reston would present a huge number of threads, only a tiny number of which may be significant. However, if you look at the threads which attract the most criticism or aggression, they are threads where the subject can be researched using the search function - like Yggdrasil.

The two issues are completely separate, but many of the members who have bashed me in the past seem to think these two different types of situation are the same.

Asking about something that would impossible to search for is fine, and seldom attracts negative feeling (please feel free to show me a few examples if you disagree). However, pointing out what Yggdrasil is, because a member is arrogant enough to think 3000 people in 2 years had never bothered to check is insulting, and it is mostly those types of threads that seem to attract the negative responses from myself and others. Also, threads by people who genuinely can't be bothered looking for an answer.

In other words, threads started by people with a positive enthusiasm for the book usually meet with a positive response. Threads based in negative intent, like those by lazy people, or arrogant people who just wish to show off are far more often the ones that are replied to with negative comments.

From that point of view, no - I do not see your point, because the two are all too often mixed together.

The situation with the search function can be compared to the advance of, for example, science:

Every time a new discovery is made, it soon ends up in the textbooks of the next generation of sceintists. If it didn't, new scientists would keep making the same discoveries and we probably wouldn't be sat at computers right now. This advancement relies on new scientists learning about what has gone before them, before taking the next step. This is what the search function is for - finding out about the theories that have gone before, and then taking them further.

Try to imagine the reaction a scientist would get today if they went on TV with an amazing new discovery that the Earth is round - they would be laughed at and ridiculed for not doing their homework. Its the same thing.

Without advancement, the learning and enlightenment becomes stagnant.

This is why I promote searching the archives, and why I will continue to do so for as long as I am here.

Does anyone see my point??

The greatest irony, verismo, is that you started all this by talking about how nice it was to find a thread which hadn't been buggered up by this type of distracting debate on the search function, which has in turn caused the very same distracting debate you seem so against.

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: fatwoul ]

ianthebruce

10-22-2002, 05:25 PM

The anwser to this question probably doesn't "mean" anything, but I'm curious nonetheless. You know the voice on Haunted that comes on before Lemon Merange (and several other places on the album.) Does anyone else think that's supposed to be Zampano's voice? For some reason, it's totally how I picture Zampano sounding. The things the man says at the begining of Spanish Doll lead me to beleve the voice is a spanish man. Does anyone remember if Zampano's ethnic roots are mentioned in HOL?

chinawhite

10-22-2002, 05:37 PM

Well, Zampano definitely sounds like a Spanish name to me. Especially the spelling of it, with the ~ over the "o"....

Slipknot5342

07-02-2003, 07:07 PM

on the first page of the album booklet poe says that there was a tape to mark maybe that influenced him to write house of leaves

P.S. chinawhites post number is 666 bad ass

[ July 02, 2003: Message edited by: Slipknot5342 ]

John B.

07-03-2003, 05:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by chinawhite:
Well, Zampano definitely sounds like a Spanish name to me. Especially the spelling of it, with the ~ over the "o"....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A couple of things . . .
First of all, that's an accent mark over the "o" and not a tilde. Secondly, the accent in his name isn't found in Spanish, though it IS found in French and perhaps in Italian (Zampano, as has been noted elsewhere, is the name of a central character in Fellini's film La Strada).