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[werdfert]

hi this is my first post
so let me know if its old news
or what you think about possible ramifications

#1 walker in darkness
p.320 chad hears someone mumbling about a walker in darkness and later is assumed to be the sounds of holloway dying
however there is a walker in darkness
p.150 "walker in darkness"
this one belonging to johnny

#2 son
appendix I.B. p543 "i could create a son..."
this note was written by zampano 9 months (exactly) before jonny was born - the day (if could be exact) of his conception
cross reference: pp. 592 & 593


also whats yggdrasil
ive heard people talk about it having found the solution but... ?

[PaulHewson]

So, I'm pretty new here myself. My name's Paul (surprise!) and I assume thatYggdrasil has been discussed on this board, but I figured I'd reply for anyone who needed to know:
As I understand it, Yggdrasil is the World Tree in Norse Mythology. It was, coincidently, an Ash Tree. It's called the World Tree because it links all of the worlds. Beneath its roots are the realms of Asgard, Niflheim, and Joutenheim. There are also three wells down at the base...one for wisdom, one of fate, and one which was belived to be the source of all rivers in Norway.
The connection between Yggdrasil and Navidson's house are pretty obvious. The one thing that also sticks in my mind about Yggdrasil is that it was the tree Odin impaled himself on for 9 days in order to grasp the knowledge of Runes (the early written alphabet of Norway...bastardized into a form of divination). So, like Navidson, he had to suffer to gain knowledge.
I hope that's helpful
-P

[mtvogel73]

Ahh yes... I remember it being connected to some Mythology.. just couldn't remember which. I first heard (read) about it in the book, Hyperion, by Dan Simmons (very good Sci-Fi series... highly recommend it).. And I remember it also being known as the World Tree...
Thanks for explaining it! :-)

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in response to werdfert's following idea

#1 walker in darkness
p.320 chad hears someone mumbling about a walker in darkness and later is assumed to be the sounds of holloway dying
however there is a walker in darkness
p.150 "walker in darkness"
this one belonging to johnny

a possiblilty here depending on how you take the book. after i got to a certain chapter, the book began falling apart for me (in a good way) and i began to re-examine it in the light of truant's psychology, with the now knowing that the poems/fragments on page 558 to 564 are z's... several times in the book lines from the poems are quoted word for word by johnny as if they are his own regular way of talking (one being page 518 when johnny mentions the panther) with this in mind i have considered that if z is real and his notes are real and johnny has been obsessing over them, then SURELY he has digested them and possibly made them his own... they are therefore indistinguishable from his own ways of thinking, so these items (the poems fragments, the quotes and everything else in the appendix) are bound to crop up in his (johnny's) day to day speaking... so much so that he at times lives these horrors he reads about. i.e. the walker in the dark sequence (which btw he immediately retracts as false a few sentences away).
i have to consider the possibility that since the book has an introduction (dated even) that that would suggest that the whole text of zampano's has been read and reread and regurgatated by johnny and living in johnny's mind for some time whether he liked it or not, so references are bound to crop up in johnny's analysis before actual events in z's text (even before said instance as werdfert suggests... walker in the dark page 150 meet walker in the dark page 320) since no evidence was found of a true "demonic supernatural presence" in the house i have chosen to analyze the book psychologically... this is what has creeped me out about the book... supernatural is one thing, easily explained away... psychological is another... why do these demons sleep in our heads... the scene where johnny notes the scrape marks on the floor in z's apartment were terrifying because mzd gave us a hint... he did not give us all the information we wanted, so we fill in the rest believing perhaps the most dramatic at first... a creature exists, therefore a creature probably exists in the navidson house, and so on...

at the same time i could be completely, utterly wrong... i think each person will interpret the book differently and i simply choose a psychological one... that is why i am interested in seeing others interpret the book supernaturally or otherwise... if there was only one explanation, i'd perhaps find it boring...

more confusion? or less?

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in response to werdfert's #2...

#2 son
appendix I.B. p543 "i could create a son..."
this note was written by zampano 9 months (exactly) before jonny was born - the day (if could be exact) of his conception
cross reference: pp. 592 & 593


you may be onto something there simply because... to finish your quoting, "...i could create a son who is not missing"..
truant = missing

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